You have probably heard about this landmark episode of one of the world’s most popular podcasts - Joe Rogan Experience. Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk appeared there and made a few loud statements. Some legends were already created about this conversation, but what really happened? Yes, they were smoking marijuana and drinking whiskey in front of the cameras, but also they talked about different hot topics buzzling in our minds in these days. You can watch the full video or read the most interesting Musk’s statements right here. 

On The Boring Company

The Boring Company is the sort of hobby. It started as a joke, but we decided to make it real and dig tunnels. Other people ask us to dig tunnels, and we said yes in a few cases. [...] I didn’t say it will be successful. But so far I’ve been living in Los Angeles for 16 years, and the traffic is always been terrible. I do not see other ideas for improving the traffic. So in desperation, we are going to make a tunnel, and maybe this tunnel will be successful or maybe it wouldn't. Tunnels are very safe in earthquakes. Earthquakes are the surface phenomena, they like waves on the ocean. If there is a storm, you wanna be in the submarine. So been in the tunnels is like been in the submarine. The tunnels constructing with interlocking segments, it is like a snake exoskeleton. When the ground moves, it is able to shift with the ground like an underground snake. Our tunnels are capable of taken 5 atmospheres of pressure, they are waterproof, methane proof, and proof of any kind of gas.

On his work

I think people do not understand what I'm doing with my time. They think I am a business guy or something like that. My PDA page says I am a business magnate, but I would say I am more business magnet. I’m doing engineering, and it takes up 80% of my time. Just hardcore engineering. You ask me how I find a time on all of these things. It is simple, I’m an alien or maybe have some mutation.

On Artificial Intelligence

I less worry about that than I used to. It is not necessarily bad, it just definitely will be outside of the human control. It will be very tempting to use AI as a weapon. The danger that human may use it against each other. You could argue that any group of people - like a company - is essentially a cybernetic collective of human people and machines. That’s what a company is. And then there are different levels of complexity in the way these companies are formed and then there is a collective AI in Google search, where we are also plugged in like nodes in a network, like leaves in a tree. We’re all feeding this network without questions and answers. We’re all collectively programming the AI and Google. We are the biological bootloader for AI, we are building it. We are building progressively greater intelligence, and the percentage of intelligence that is not human is increasing. Evidently, we will represent the very small percentage of intelligence. But AI is formed like a human limbic system. All the things we love, hate, fear all lie on the Internet, they are the projection of our limbic system. The success of AI online systems is a sort of function of how much limbic resonance they are able to achieve with people. More resonance - more assignment. I tried to convince people to slow down AI, to regulate it. I tried for years, and nobody listened, no one. Maybe, they will, so far they haven’t. Normally, regulation works very slow. Usually, when a new technology causes some damage or death, there will be a cry, there will be an investigation. Years pass until actually regulation appears - this all takes many years. If we look at the car industry, how long it took for seat belts to get any regulation? The industry successfully slowed down the process for years, and only after many people had died, regulate is insisted in belts. This time is not relevant for AI, we can’t wait 10 years from the point when it became dangerous. It will be too late. It is not necessary doom, it is out-control. People called it a singularity. It is hard to predict what is gonna happen when the genie is out of the bottle. It could be terrible, but it could be great. It is not clear, but one thing for sure - we will not control it.

On one giant simulation. Do we really live in it?

The argument for the simulation I think is quite strong. Just extend the time frame, make it a thousand years, a million years - the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Civilization is maybe seven or eight thousand years old if you count it from the first writing. This is nothing. So if you assume any rate of improvement at all, then virtual reality games will be indistinguishable from reality. Or civilization will end. Either one of those two things will occur. Or we are most likely living in a simulation. There are many simulations. These simulations, we might as well call them a reality, or you can call them multiverse. They are running on a substrate. That substrate is probably boring. When we create a simulation like a game or a movie, it’s a distillation of what’s interesting about life. It takes a year to shoot an action movie. And that is distilled down into two to three hours. But the filming is boring. It’s pretty goofy, doesn’t look cool. But when you add the CGI and upgrade editing, it’s amazing. So I think most likely, if we’re a simulation, it’s really boring outside the simulation. Because why would you make the simulation as boring? You make simulation way more interesting than base reality.

On the Social Networks

One of the issues with the social media is that I think maybe particular in Instagram people look like they have a much better life than they really do. People are posting pictures when they are really happy, they are modifying these pictures for better looking. So if you look at everyone on Instagram you think, men, there so many happy and beautiful people, and I’m not good enough, I’m not happy, so I’m a suck. But in fact all these people not that happy. A number of them are really depressed, and the happiest people on Instagram is the saddest people in reality. No one can look good every time no matter who you are.

On the future

I don’t wanna say the things are too dark because you kind of have to be optimistic about the future. There is no point to be pessimistic, it does not help. I would rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right. At least we are on the bright side. Enjoy the journey. Even if we will exist as humans forever, it is still eventually will be the hit death of the Universe. It is gonna end, it is just a question when. So it is really all about a journey. I think we should take the actions that the most likely will make the future better and then evaluate these actions.

On making Tesla dance ballet

There were some engineers in Tesla that said what if we make this car dance and play music? I said it sounds great, let's get gone it. And we did. But the car can do lots of things. I think that Tesla is the most fun thing you can possibly buy ever. Our goal to make not exactly a car but a thing to maximize enjoyment and make maximum fun. We are going to put a video game in it, but you won't be able to drive while you are playing them, of course. Also, we change the software so if you do not touch the wheel the car will slow down, put the emergency light on, and wake you up.